Design Council | + is a suitable architecture
The day before yesterday she called me a completely clueless.
It must be that the plan is not limited to, the following councils will speak to us but, unfortunately, architects .... again .... but not a very good light, then this is!
He explained that he was responsible for an architect to design her a small, single-storey houses. While preparing the draft turned out that although it is a small village main street is the last house will be brought tervtanácsra. Were lodged, but summarily fired from the plan (draft) because he did not know that the (scenic, historic Protected) area only E1 designer can design a privilege. Puff him.
Well it would otherwise be E3 in a privileges designer fenced E1 designer and his name was submitted under the new one. The jury once again kicked out the plan, saying the jury believes that there is only oromfalas passzolna building. This is not under the regulatory requirements, we are more the builder did not want anything, just the jury.
However, the rapporteur for the construction authority that, as the gable is not mandatory, so there is no wrong in his opinion the plan board, so if you will submit the final plans, the construction authority will allow it, regardless of the decision of the council plan.
Then the builder would have tervezőnél urged to complete the drawings and submit the plans. But she replied that it would only resume if you have the plan of the Council decision. Also noted that since the design had to be an architect, E1, so as it involves additional costs, there will be more in the previously agreed design fee. Also noted that he has made, it is protected by copyright and should not he get the builders to continue in the case planned to advance understanding someone else!
The council has plans for more than two weeks in session, no report has been sent, so the design does not continue, even while other designers began to work as well, so now it does not seem to even care. Meanwhile, months passed and the builders is useless in a (draft) plan, you can not move forward,
He will now do what?
To be given advice, to see who the participants and who does what role?
Design Council | something you want to require the builder to which the scheme of arrangement is not a cause. Fortunate that only advisory, not binding on the decision, but of course much more than the above feeds are needed. The case marked the conclusion of luck is not really interesting for the decision.
Building Authority | as I wrote above, the builder and do not wish to support the idea of the design board's decision into account. This is probably the most important moment in the whole process
The developer | builders to lay, not to understand the permitting process, nor to anyone what you have permission or it does not need to know when to submit a plan tervtanácsra?
Design | built differently from that of the designer must understand the licensing process, you need to know what everyone is entitled, and also that a plan must be submitted when tervtanácsra?
I gave the lady the following advice:
First in a planning agreement with the designer, who undertook the design work, so if he is employed by, you do not have permission, then, of course, the design problem, not the builder. I am not a lawyer, but if a plan is made in such cases, it is very worrisome to copyright (but are not most important).
Second E3 is involved in the planning permissions and planning permission for an appropriate architect as well, but this is not right to ask for extra pay. Here the two made a mistake, it is a company, which was not entitled (not informed of the planning area), on the other hand, the later prize architect involved as an additional service to be validated, which is of course nonsense.
I advised that first - the skill to be gap-building authorities in cooperation - get the two week delay on the plan of the Council resolutions, minutes, as copies, make that supplying the designer, ask him to go to work and give to the construction authority for the plans. The builder - prior information of the artist under construction - to assume the risk that the Council decision to reject the plan in spite of the design plan is administered.
The total design fee will exceed the previously agreed amount, not because he needs to know that what applies to the chosen designer for permission? I advised to pay a penny more (some luck in the process that have not paid anything for the designer).
If the designer would not want to continue working, or insisted that the E1 involved in planning fee for the builder to pay, do not leave it at that. Clarify that the last resort, file a complaint to the regional chamber of architects and will ask the ethics committee to investigate how to make someone a job in it, which does not have permission? In addition, you will be asked to investigate - and it is even more serious consequences may result - how you can make this design a strómant organized in the planning, a separate money just to sign the plans (this is both the jogosultságukkal play and if something, from clear to all well half)? This confirms that the first tervtanácsra submitted plans for E3 designer signed (and therefore also kicked out), while the second design of E1. That is to say the strómankodás pretty obvious.
I think that all of the above to avoid the original E3 designer is more integrity in order to complete the work and his own pocket to pay the strómant than bevállalni a chamber above the ethical test. BUT, you can choose - but it's not really ethical - to leave the whole and also waive all copyright claims, thereby allowing another designer to do the job is finished or a new one make (the latter really did not need the consent), it additional time is detrimental to the builders ..
Stay tuned for further reports can be read.
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salvation.
Today's architects working on the specific design of legislation munkájánal kills more frightening levels of administration, official negotiations, discussions procurers. Customers can not believe that there is a week when we can not sit in front of machines, we go back and forth.
The beauticians, dentists, lawyers, let alone hard to tell the client that 1 to 1.5 months' time to bother them and they kedzjék the common tasks, egyeztetéseketz.
The problem we follow it, because the construction industry - fits all? - 1-2 days üólnünk be interested in a new (well) .... and develop a well-known case of slippage. And of course, is always urgent.
CASE OF A FAMILY THAT TODAY'S NO EURO 20 MILLION DURING THE PLANNING appreciate it AT LEAST 3-5 months.
Foregoing case: stromanság very badly there, the incompetence, but a design firm contracted behozhat anyone. Of course, not true.
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The correct advice.
The strómankodás not be prosecuted, usually functions normally, it should not be forgotten that it is common to intellectual property.
If önkozmányzat out all the website correctly, enlighten everyone on the current conditions there, and you would be easier in life.
The draft plan is not protected by the Copyright Act, as it only protects those plans, which can be used to create from the building. The draft plan does not work for this. The conceptual plan licensee or the licensee's plan and the execution plan is the subject of copyright protection, type of plan. I agree that the designer must ensure that a job with the company to which permission is appropriate or not, if you do not have sufficient privileges, you can give back to the commission and not strómant search. The strómankodást namely prohibiting the chamber's own ethics policies. Wake up designers now! How long do you want to offer a helping hand even architectural image of the destruction of our settlements?! Not by chance, when using only the streets, why stick to the plan, the council members oromfalas designs! Is not pushed enough in intelligence to cooperating with your esteemed nézvést that they planned (aláírt!) plan match the built environment? What nonsense advice on the plan to blame the stupid architect design defectiveness?
Sorry to sound a little angry, but as a council member training plan, as well as a small settlement was főépítészeként anger, so that addition, you can - the blog owner - these misinformed, sneaky, stealthy sounds, and it allows councils to discredit the plan! I think it is very important to the operation plan, councils, task, and I am confident that with some exceptions, a lot of advice we owe the existence of the plan. Advice to the plan is not swearing, but jóóóóóó houses should be designed!
Sincerely, B. Architect Veronika Szabo
huhuj dörzsöltséget and how much these people get together for a few years, the Hungarian reality

and who want to work on an architect with whom the dust fly összerugta?
(Ozona) Any architect can be lost, but it is not listed here.
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Dear B. Szabo Veronica!
First, it was interesting to read the other side, so can you! (As he writes, the chief architect and design consultants have the experience of members.)
The strómankodást regarding the Chamber no generated by the ethical rules regarding almost agree, release it as an architecture student to illustrate a third side, namely, of the young.
First The first problem is that at this time in Hungary is very chaotic in the process of getting permissions. For young people is very difficult (sometimes nearly impossible) to acquire any right, by the Bologna process is not just a smooth start of even greater confusion.
Second It is very difficult to define itself strómankodást well. I'm doing, graduates are planning a house, into which we are building an N-or draw a line, but the plan is found in every aspect of sound, he meets the taste of the standards, and meets all the requirements. How it may be decided as to why it was the signature of a good plan? Not at all, is there any significance, if the house is good as it is, it is signed, the responsibility, who undertakes it? (Of course, the ethical rules transgressed, but no injury to other things.)
Third "How long do you want to offer a helping hand even architectural image of the destruction of our settlements?!" - I'm not sure if the eligibility = bad architecture without architects statement be correct. Is it full of fresh graduates bombed the country kúriákkal Mediterranean, plaster and stucco madárkákkal, oversized, shiftless residential parks - groves, - garden with ...? In most European countries is much wider scope for young people, and certainly it can be seen in the quality! Do not scale down I wish everybody respected Grand Masters merits, but if they, too, assume you must feel some young designer (candidates) plans, it will be the Chamber should realize that there is something wrong when the right getting the rules enforces strómankodást both halves! After all, is to be two people, one who can design one, who signed ...
4th "I think it is very important to the operation plan, councils, task, and I am confident that with some exceptions, a lot of advice we owe the existence of the plan. Advice to the plan is not swearing, but jóóóóóó houses should be designed! "- My heart said, we hope that the plan will improve the quality of advice, there is only mélyrepülésben the Hungarian standards.
Dear B. Szabo Veronica!
If the Main Contractor and the village is to ensure that an area of some type and size of a building is built, you need to create the legal background. I think it's outrageous that in many places the law is not treated issues plan Board or required major architectural consultation (who is just one of tens of thousands of architects, and as a legislator, the official work not could take part, or that there is a separation of powers, the issue of?) Will bring this to impose their will on the owner. Budgets can be adjusted to create laws, to be involved in production of the plan, advice, and you will be the legal basis of the wishes behind.
Many times I have heard council plans to build could be here any more, but it is not for the installation parameters to fit, the less you build. But according to the investor buys the land, what should be built, which subsequently limit is not very ethical.
Copyright law applies to all architectural works of § 1 (3)!
The "he" does not plan to recast (uses) § 29 protected!
If the designer does not maintain ownership of copyright, royalties can not ask for it! (Presumably not tied in! ...)
Basically, the whole licensing skrizofémia misery: a mixture of official and market research, and is yet tetézzük 'flexible Hungarian bureaucracy "!
I am surprised that no one talks about it that we only have this 1 2 3 classification and others. Priced into the market for players! How hypocritical thing is that (EU pressure) is not a foreign designers inquires qualities!
The strómankodás feszegetése is a crap in my opinion, virtually institutionalized market restriction! Regulatory barriers to divert the people are the chosen ones!
What is the difference between the employee or if the signal is not used in the design plan (assumes all responsibility)? The current rules of the existing structure (the actors) fix!
It also turns his head to the practice of everyday life: I do not take notice until the company has Bomi! If anyone disorder, you can run the chamber Mószer Aranka!
Returning to the case: the lady does not hesitate in place (after all of his 20-30 million) and are looking for someone who has ideas of his scrape, and ultimately the result that involves money is not spent swapping! Tell the designer had nothing to (/ 2) ...
"What's the difference between the employee or if the signal is not used in the design plan (assumes all responsibility)? The current rules of the existing structure (the actors) fix! "
Somewhere it is, however, the entitlement system failure if everyone ignored their own level of access, because it will be signed by someone anyway. Against this background, it accepts everything I see.
Another matter that is not surprising that an E2 hearts strongly desires the first major assignment, which only E1 sign ... After all, professional development, to advance the interests always will be requested, to further up to seek the man, and not just ráosztott level of work.
So this question is quite difficult to do justice, since all sides are right in some ways.
So I think that the "error back to your unit is not in there," but the system is not the real thing.
Üdv.Miklos!
I still hold my type of garázsépités case, but the Supreme Court is set to the COUNTY COURT PRESIDENT defend, not to show work on the condominium, the aposának and his wife (tampered-documented abuses of property acquisition, and + maladministration + okirathamisitás). Whether I megterveztettem designer of the structure of the development plan STANDARDS ADOPTED SELF INSIDE SZERINT.Az I.FOKU Building Authority was adopted, I have the problem CONSTRUCTION ENGEDÉLYT.Itt came because I wanted to megvásároni construction on such terms as the common area in the Court " PRESIDENT APOS who sold her daughter in the garage was not the condominium property tulajdonosa.A a back-dated articles of association has been registered under the FÜLDHIVATALNÁL, the other owners without the consent and signatures nélkül.Mindez as you know it has been since 2001 zajlik.De still not identified the crime SORA, police complaint up, prosecutors investigated, belül.Épenezért administrative proceedings in such cases the matter 3D.terv PROTOCOLS because the LORD, and several authorities, Prosecutor-COURT, INCLUDING ALEGFELSŐBB anyway I went to the levels of - "COUNTY PRESIDENT OF THE COURT FAMILY ÉRINTETSÉGÉT "-. Imagine, the Court of Appeal New eljárára made the guilty Courts, but does not make sense because the case will return has been guilty of court and closed enough so that the appeal documents filed PLACE threat and this aszisztál the Supreme Court now has wait for the new Chief Justice's willingness to something you do not lépni.Ha KIPLAKÁTOLOM The city is taking part in the LIST! and herewith the EU.BÍROSÁGÁNAK, so that the works of Hungarian democracy! Do not let the industry to discredit the man-driven economic penetrate analfabátáknak! further success.