Plan Review 58 | a pest-house county
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A few days ago I received the following letter:
Dear Mr. Koos!
Young couple per year, we purchased a small town in Pest county long coveted (1250nm-inch) telkünket, which is tiny cottage. Nowadays this demolition tie up all our time, but in the meantime we can start building our house plans would be.
As for our needs: we do not want too big a house, a family of four planned, but the living room and the dining room size is suitable for guests. We love nature and the natural solutions, so we asked the natural light from above is relatively dark areas.
Since we spend a lot of time in the kitchen - free time we love to cook - that's why it was important to have a clear, and comfortable. My husband horticulturist, so we adhere to the conservatory. In addition, it is important to increase the economy of the house is maintained, air-conditioning, heating.
The plan is now preparing for licensing. The house has a greater width may not be abiding by the rules of this size can be accommodated on the property (this is why I had such a chamber to change). Would welcome your views and readers, as heads are better than ..
Sincerely, GSD
I used to have received the Plan Review Plan inbox joy From this perhaps could be more lenient, but I do not think so send in their building plans, but it puzzled some detail.
The installation
The local level is shown in the figures, the adjacent lots on the plan operator is much smaller houses are "not fill the available space." The boundary of the installation process is always the main cause of the problem, in addition to the garage you place the boundary, since there is only windows open in restrooms, it may be only small. If you can not be listed there right features, is the solution of which is shown here that a épületugrással at least 3 meters farther to bring the plane and makes a normal sized window, not just toilets placed here.
In part this has happened here, but even back in the storage timber is to be pulled over more, perhaps unjustified, and then we will see later, the internal layout is affected. However, because of the color wood for indoor, so the odanyíló bathroom and toilet windows, it certainly will be dark, but not so much sense to have a 3-m indentation, as not really open to anything. Thanks to the many épülettagolásnak perhaps too much has been divided on the roof, which in itself would not matter, but for example. specifically at the entrance confusing.
The floor plan
Even before the premises were taken home line look at the entrance. In the above-mentioned two pieces together and not worth any roof is pulled back to the entrance, it is not covered because these two do not end up roof, between ca. 50 cm gap remains. The retraction are rather large, so the entrance is so negative and dark becomes unsuitably deep formed.
Because of the deeply placed in the entrance hall and behind the length of this corridor will most definitely dark, a good system is designed to light the channel.
The installation is written ones I considered it important to note, because the flat is basically an internal waterway of the land border to drag influenced, I think negatively. The advent of flat and then travel to the living room with me nooks and Zugos, arrive at the apartment leads straight to the bathroom, which is unfortunate.
Perhaps I've written previously, when an unknown plan glance at the graphic design tells a lot more before it can begin, exactly what function rooms are located on it. when the first glimpse of the drawing, two things messed up one spot in the chamber, and the other to the toilet block. Somehow, I felt both showed that the logical structure of the layout structure somehow nicked.
The toilet is small, even though it hangs down into the bath. I can not help observing enough to do this a saving up to half nm could also be a toilet and you do not need to chess, where you can open the 75th door "convenience to?"
The other chamber, Leri what that was subsequently beerőszakolva on your plan, thereby destroying the dining and structural purity (being will trigger a burly cross-cut the chamber). The refrigerant is drawn in the chamber would be a much better place in the kitchen, at the corner fireplace and flew at least not so utilized for heating the chamber.
's Form in the shape of a room feel bigger problem that must go to the children's room in front of everyone who wants to go into the living room, bedrooms baths intimacy so unfortunately even less is available only for parents, but there are also only partially. Of course, if it was not a concern, then it obviously happened with the approval of the residents.
The master bedroom will not furnish the basis of a proposal by the architect, hopefully, and you do not will be the darkest corner of the study area.
As far as can be glad that you berajzolják all the important furniture is so unfortunate that it was not enough to recognize that living in this form will not work. As there has been drawn, in this form is useless, but if we draw on the reality, it turns out that the sofa would point to the patio door. That would be reason enough to think through the patio doors, window locations.
I left the garage at the end. The 550-cm width of the bottom border. If the first one is a little too imprecise on, there will be a second very difficult to enlist. The other problem is that since fatüzelésre are made to be rather complicated approach through the furnace garage. I do not really understand why they do not approach from the laundry room?
There is a comment to the space beyond the falszerkezetről well. The 38 brick wall 6 cm insulation just above the lower limit prescribed by no means can be considered "low-power" structure. Would be better off if építkeznének walls 30 and 14 cm insulation applied. The would have been a good insulation value and did not change the physical size of the building, either.
Overview | unfortunately not much good I could tell he saw the floor plan because - at least to me - as were more into it, you'd better avoid. I consider it to be to think again before this important decision of their life does not begin until the construction is never too late. As once built, to the greatest part of it will remain ..
If you love to show others in the set / completed apartment or a house, or you want to know what others say about the house you like, you can send it to us , we present an opinion and of course we say it. If the house is not yours, but curious what others think about it, I can feel free to post. Because of the secrecy can do it anonymously, of course, up to the city (district +) are given.
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Author: Nicholas Koos | 2010th November. 1 | 4.141 reading
Category: this is my house
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T.Koós Lord and T.Építtetők!
They were all jealous! And write it to ourselves to - afterwards - sorry already! 7 years 4 moved on to a similar sized house - (turnkey) and its conception was not much into talking. Do not explain.
Sorry, you as an outsider to write the opinion. Sorry 'if I misunderstood and would apply only to vote for what I think?
Mr. Koos start with the last sentence: What was once built, the majority of it will remain so! Up to agree!
NO prioritization:
Rambling: then think about the fact that where and how old or new furniture will / can then be entered?
Drawn on the furniture, and more importantly with care! There is absolutely no proof that they really fit in there, just like the designer imagines -. Etc.. (Mr. Koos is mentioned.)
I do not know where (?), But it is "worth 2. Build a toilet! For example, the visitors to go to the toilet? The living room - through the dining room - (Just an example)
I think the wardrobe - 4 people - would prove to be too small.
You may be too early to ask - where are the radiators - because then they can determine the furnishing of the rooms!
(I'm no expert) - where the loft - and the possibilities to store things in the attic - (in my case can not be, -. Later found out)
Surely you will have a garden - he considered whether the placement of garden tools - (lawn and a lot of driving)
The roof extends to so that the rain does not fall on man, you go around the outside of the house?
Once again, if bocs' as an outsider I said it!
I would like to keep a lot of job / work time in the midst of "small" reflection to consider as well! Will have the strength to endure the many familiar - RETROFIT - will tell you: they are built so he would not have it!
Ships! And bőbeszédűségért sorry '
Ps I forgot, if you do not they wanted to enlist in the car in the garage, there will be space and how - car parked in the open.
Nicholas is so.
Due to the. parallel roof above the main entrance solution right there in the boat people and technically two channels (nursery and roof sections above the garage) runs about 15 cm from each other .... It is neither beautiful nor can they constructed
, b. Attic. The stove chimney badly átmetéli the élszarufát. Such a thing if it is impossible to see on paper is not drawn.
, c. A large bathroom with this professionally leárnyékolni only a few people know.
, d. connecting the conservatory as a terrible plan, such as the facade.
e. "Z" corridor ..... do not, a new house.
F, I think the dining room is dark. New house is unacceptable.
g, living room, home gateway and bútorozhatatlan.. Life style of the living room - bedroom access appalled. Someone was asleep, and the other to watch TV / were talking about the first day .... everyone has to realize that something was not right.
I recommend the whole thing and a redesign of 25-30 million investment project is not an issue. If the floor plan of the first architect of his work, you should have minimum of two designers get this concept plan as 50-70. HUF (plan, weight) and more to choose from. It's working.
Needs such as lighting and energy saving in the letter, not the least respond to the house. As we watch a south window or patio shaded by large, snow covered garden. The conservatory is good, but not at the cost to build in front of the only bright opening. The Velux light channels should not be used to make a bad plan design rectify it. A lot of off-delimited beugrásos épületkontúr a lot of heat loss, thermal bridges, complex roof and ceiling effects. And the design does not explain that this, not because it was beautiful. Two bedroom looking north northeast. The living room and dining room with patio shade, and almost all the remaining space is inside. This house is all but bright light is not! I think one of the spaces is not well in the least, the relationship is even less. Stove against the wall, close to the corner sink, a housewife in the 99% back to everyone, then they will also love to cook in their free time? All major transportation is also a hidden room, kitchen, étklező, living room, no one can stand anywhere just because it will get in the way of others. The official travel very long, however, wardrobes fit in anywhere, not here, not in the rooms. The areas that will give us bad, every room is something bitten by one (inch) room addition. Toldozni that the floor plan I do not think it is worth, my blank sheet to start again, as another architect.
Chaotic. No two main walls, which is aligned with the épületkontúr amoeba (just devour the chamber to block the water), the top piece straight hair-raising.
The master bedroom from the living room? A 50-square-foot condominium apartment is odd, such a new family home especially piquant idea. But at least you can escape from the bedroom to the bath out.
The majority of my comments have someone themselves up, so stop clinging to what's left. The kitchen-dining-living room crowding itself also relieved when:
- Eliminate one of the two teraszajtóból. For example, instead of the kitchen facing the dining table could be closer to the wall, less inhibited transport.
- The chamber is not türemkedne better into the dining room of the bar line of work (or even will not).
Of course this is just 'fire'.
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In connection with the realignment few basic koósza, lay thought a starting point:
- As one of the main problem is that the space relations is logically 'X' form (the net block of wet rooms is one of the stem, the front / garage to kitchen-dining-living room with the other), where the road will cross each other's path, therefore, the X kibogozandó what would happen if the garage to switch places in the twin bedroom block, they úgysincs window to the neighboring properties. (Of course, a garage parking space moved to the other side of the trees to avoid having to cut out for them. Whether John Q átkerülhetne the garage door is on the east side, you will not at right angles to the line of the street).
- Main entrance from the street (north) shifts between the kitchen and the garage (to the east)
- The kitchen is so tolódna south to the corner of the terrace place the next day. The living room is to the west, but not the boundary (making sure the master bedroom in the south window of preservation). The master bedroom is a little further north, now unified to form an intimate block of wet rooms and twin nets.
If the number of rooms, the demands utterly fails to clear a way to align the conclusion with reasonable skill, then perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider the installation of two prospective nursery attic, where would place a second bath and / or toilet has too.
Dear Speakers,
I already knew that there is this forum, but I thought energetikusként what I'm doing here. However, now idetévedtem. Was it worth it.
Nicholas's view of the place of falszerkezetről. The interest of building materials to produce their own goods to sell as much as possible. m3.
However, the price of cubic meter of masonry material to move somewhere around £ 24-27000. The EPS is 16,000 Ft/m3. Thermal conductivity of the walls ... 0.14 17 W / mK, EPS upped its 0,031 W/m2. I do not want to repel polystyrene smokers clutches of the builder, but the construction cost efficiency is important to many. I'd like to generate discussion if other thermal insulation. sympathetic, that is. Still in better cost / technical content ratio.
Wall corner 10, 10 geometric thermal bridges. This is certainly energy loss. The easiest way is only four houses away. It is enough.
However, the builder stated in the operating cost sensitivity.
The energy balance of the missing solar gain. Maybe it's not made for energy calculation?
Nowadays quite a statement by the designer ...
Oh, and the 30 wall. I know of PTH 30 of 38 for derágább. Because that little run out of it is not economical to manufacture ...
If you were to be replaced, should be transferred before approval, or modification will be required to ...
The winter garden winter a blessing. How to behave in the summer? It will not be very hot there?
I'm sorry, the thermal conductivity of the EPS correctly W / mK. The little devil does not sleep ...
Otherwise very impressed with the comments. You can learn a lot from them.
The hall size I think misguided. Unfortunately, the school learned the minimum size is simply not sufficient! A pair of shoes or a jacket that is not stored, but pick-off may not be such a place. From everyone I apologize to whom I was planning something like that. The morning departure is not that wet Unit congestion in the narrow hallway or poison your family's life.
Here is pretty much poison ...
To me it smells a bit like if it had been the aim is to "minimize the number of road users." With a well positioned good size as intelligent transportation can also be a store, a library, in case of bad weather, "raging" for the child (loved the apartment long corridor of small cars roll, rollerezni etc), in fact, be a winter garden. The winter garden and a storage timber or color could be an integral part of the house, and can be decorative as well. Now instead of a conservatory to the poor than "Uncle Joe" odatapasztott the house overnight.
Hi everyone,
being ruined by bad was demolished in the building but it was not a bad place, and to some extent odaillett among the other buildings.
I stopped to have access to disturb viewed this page, because I felt I do not understand the things that have to criticize others spite of being student of architecture. We continually monitor the page and still very good critics and komentek, you can learn a lot from them. It seems that the designer who designed this house is not in the same opportunities to learn and learn from others' mistakes is good, more of himself doing a bad example.
The speakers before me by those mistakes again do not throw up. What can I do to even be mentioned as a negative, in my opinion, are as follows:
1 If a customer's expectations are against the house you want to live in. Why can not deliver viable form. Because you want to order a winter garden? noises. 4en you want to live? noises. you want to bake to cook? noises. wish terrace? noises. Could go on, but by the end you get what you see here. A highly unadvised suggesting the building is good, but good is full of annoying bugs.
2 I watch as he not only is the chamber randomly inserted into the building, but the conservatory there is only "cuppantva." If you put forth a little to see in this arrangement approximately the same value as the current site, nothing. Such a conservatory is not only symptomatic treatment should be presented to the client's expectations but if there is a demand for it is not accidental and should be an integral part of the building as possible.
3 I do not think that such a roof structure could be set up without the other parents denser blaming, it is likely reflection is the thing, because if you do it over the entrance but will be filled with a continuous roof when the 20-inch gap will then be frozen snow covered congested airspace of the two sides.
4 location of the building site plan, a word that came to mind a mix of brutal
and so to the end, be good for specialists who designed it in 2 hours but did not think it could be a good plan, it's much more I do not think you addressed the thing.
In this case, I am sorry that no work of many talented designers.
hi
Peter
Read more recent posts, formulated new thoughts ...
It would be nice to turn the issue. What are the benefits and value of the plan? The criticism does not necessarily mean the list of bad things.
Someone would undertake the task of listing the benefits of your work? Nicholas?
The builder would ask: What to say, how the designer started working together? I like to take the floor plan sketch of how you imagine their lives? If so, how is this going to give the designer? How much it changed?
The Chamber charges as recommended ways prevailed in pricing?
The customer said it was planning a cheap price or expensive?
Always easier to raise the problematic things, whether it's building plan, or anything else.
One could propose good solutions? That said, without the involvement of the customer's nearly impossible. But what if ... One, two, as I have said ...
Like most of the writers here knows the design process of the actual needs assessment of the commence ... Who we designed the house, about 1.5 hours spent kérdezgetéssel, h. what and how we used to do, what are your plans (child, home processing, etc.), and hence has raised a lot of concern that we wrote about 10-15 at ...
I think it's stayed away. Based on superficial ideas began rajzolgatni, then átrajzolgatni, the rooms move around every time - and then it became a freak ... baby drainage design, sustainable expensive, uncomfortable ... or at least small.
If this is the result of a strategic business plan, they would rather not classify either the architect or the ability megrenelő ...
Which is exactly why I think it should start from the front (possibly a different architect), but not just scribbling, but the whole process!
Anyway, I think (!) These days too much attention to m2. Yet there are "cheap m2" (garage, patio, or flying), and "expensive m2" (classically the bathroom). I often had the feeling of seeing plans (here) to get some good cheap places left in m2 recouped in less rambling through the roof and walls, as well as the spatial relationships better. Not always a little on the cheap, in fact ... Of course this should be able to enforce execution time is
Reflections comment for:
- 1-2 years called me crazy to 10cm (15cm north wall) EPS in the 30's I nf tégrlára. Now the proposal for a minimum of 14 cm. Somewhere relief to see
- Positive: the middle of the fireplace in the house - you may want to heat with it, overlooking the street ideal for double garage, large covered terrace, normal size (could be a bit more), laundry room, no 3 toilets (I'm as stupid hold the "vendégwc" t: he the living room to be admitted, why the toilet does not?), is a normal wardrobe (though not in the right place, it would be handy bedroom nyílania ...), the boundary integration (not pocsélkolja place as the center on stacker, although more difficult to plan) ....... but of a sudden I could think of.
- Winter Garden more humid than the rest, unless you really are inside plants. Indololt be somewhat separately, otherwise the whole house will be jungle atmosphere.
Joseph Benécs :
Now I started to look for value in the plan .... Er ..
Nagyzoljak? In the second year spring semester would not let me through the gyakorlatvezetőm. I'm serious. I can not think of the word "conservatory" at least not lunged at the sound of the architect's fantasy? (And do not say ouch, and then it will be expensive for sure, because this house almost all economies more ...)
Also looking for interesting in the plan itself, but not much. prefer to come up with proposals on how to think rearranging the space allocation.
1 The storage timber color on the left wall is a line I'll get the room wall.
2 The parents room to swap the kitchen
3 The current chamber size and shape can be carved in the closet, or even leave this room, built-in cupboards in the rooms could be because people are not quite small wardrobe 4, but 4 people 4 large drawers are much friendlier.
4 The bath is rotated so that the position of the current walk-in closet in 3 rooms completely closed some road users are also designed with enough room for a closet like that, so now I create a level of intimacy between the rooms and bathrooms.
5 The conservatory brought under the covered part of the indoor / outdoor patio, so contact with the net and the living room, a connection to the net may seem strange but I can not feel bad, say, winter is a lush little garden seen from my window, and so can the conservatory itself or two chair with a sort of rest room as well as the area was then allows this.
6 so the terrace with the living links to the conservatory and terrace are shown on the plan by the end of winter garden.
7 Due to the relocation of the wall with washbasin and toilet hizlalható have normal size, making it a suitable guest bathroom can be created.
8 the kitchen and bathroom accents in the disappearance / relocation due to be formed, so that the full dimensions are not affected, and the expense of a small chamber is placed in the laundry room dimensions.
so much so suddenly occurred to me
Thank you for lots of criticism, I really thought provoking and depressing to be so "terrible" was the plan ... Layman as one trust the experts, but we all claim the opposite, that totally hesitated. Obviously we do not understand it, and gratefully accepted the expert solutions!
The architect drawing specific (and criteria), we went to what I made, but I wanted to just show the approximate location of the premises, but the liked our architect, is said to be so good as well .. I asked that she can draw one, because I do not think that my version would be technically good .. This is the 5th run-time so it is not like mine - they did. Finally, the girdle was developed further, the result is also shown.
Some things that are incorrect or not included in the drawings:
The wall would be PTH 38 HS + 10 inches of insulation.
In the bathroom there is a toilet (I think bidets are instead drawn ..) and will shower in the laundry room.
I have a business next door to the house where the car can stand in the yard. From there we plan to make more guest host's invitation is straight to the dining room / living room, or more things were input (by the way, my father's woodworking professionals, it is likely that all furniture will be assembled inside the room, of course it did not turn out a simple plan) ..
The kitchen equipment is certainly not the plan, and it does not appear in the nets ..
The storage timber is "better pulling back" to the name to be fairly fatárólásra, wall-to-wall fit.
I realize that personal factors you do not recognize, so I try to outline some of the important elements.
As for us, we do not advocate the "intimate spaces" összezsúfolásának. We thought that if the children grow older, they do not necessarily want to live in a "parent's mouth" until our little ones will be one of the kids rooms, theirs is another. It is true that the nursery would be better placed in the south or the west side, but a good day lighting was also an important consideration, as well as larger, covered patio.
Storey building not want to, because there is enough space is available ... but if all else fails, yet it is going into.
The other post is featured in the four corners four thermal bridges, we also which started out (in my drawing my), but once depicted in the server rooms (as Mr. Koos is mentioned quite a fixed location), simply did not feel our own in an apartment in the middle gaped a large As living and dining space ..
I liked the idea of being drawn into the hallway on the east side, and I'll possibly be large enough to télikerként also operate (although most ideal location, DK-SW direction would be ..).
Please contact us for more solutions and ideas (although the "students" when other areas are not financially formulating what finomodniuk, because it will hurt a lot of people!) And once again thank you!
GSD :
Dear Builder!
If the students like me to be, allow me to adjust a bit I carried out an engineer. My name is indeed remained diákkoromból because it operates in quite some time, I will not change. In addition, entrants may continue to be apprenticed myself, I do not think that the paper would be finalized in the learning process.
I would not offend anyone. My opinion is that this house is so dysfunctional. Ergo the wrong plan. Faulty lot of points, which are higher up have spoken to many people in many ways.
The children "do not necessarily want to live in their parents' mouth." Right. Everyone lives in the mouth of everyone in this state, to be the master bedroom, there is no private entrance. Neither bath transition path, not the living room entrance door is NOT suitable for a subsequent parental suite. (Housing estates have similar solutions, like built in damage ...)
Similarly, the children's room opens to the dining room, which goes as long as the family's home, but a possible late night vendégségnél the kids are asleep, the parents have to talk with the guests at the table, interfere with each other. Equally disturbing later on in the living room having a party support young parents.
A guest from invitation by the court parking lot in the living room / dining room is good, provided that there is no mud, slush and cold, it will be necessary anyway to use the hall (if possible at all), boots and jackets landfill.
A little more distressed from the plan, it would be conceivable, of course, the master bedroom, the closet and the bathroom are to form a suitable, separate units are somehow healthier relationships. The nursery also might be able to turn to open in to the hall.
It is a storage timber, a covered terrace and a conservatory could be the things that would save the house from becoming a dark cube large hole in the middle. They are organized around the private and the public space of the main problems megoldódhatnának plan.
A few years ago sent a chapel built into our plan in this box, since sometimes I look. I look at the plans, I read the posts sometimes turn my head to write about, and then backed off, do not like to criticize other people's work, especially the actors unknown to me. I have had some not very well-managed plan, but the floor plan of this house has it all with me.
All I could suggest that there is no need tologatásokkal, variálással you try, you should forget and start again with a blank sheet of paper. Do you have more sensible to try to build. I guess it's not easy and simple decision.
It is worth a little more time to devote to planning. In a lengthy interview with a designer, a couple of floor plan design consideration might help (not sure, you should go to a specific drawing, the architect is to design).
I hope to build another well-run house.
Dear GSD! This plan is an intermediate munkavázlatnak good. It's not even you, as a customer, but also the designer. Relatively simple, should be placed in a typical igéyneket eral area. In comparison with the right hand on your left ear ... all too complicated, reckless mess. We show that it is good, what does not want to. For example, dark. In many places it is dark. Uneconomical. This amoeba-like túlbonyolítottság both the building industry and the Reservations in generating significant additional costs. Moreover, uncomfortable. I propose now to consider many of the newly acquired information and the planned loss at startup again. Worth it, you may be sure.
Dear Mr. Koos - and anyone - who can help!
In short, the story said during a little "alcohol-assisted" talking to: the value of a house (? Sale at -) also increases to see who was the designer! (?) - + Alcohol .. and I said it "dared to say" that it is more important who was the contractor. Possibly, if this issue would help - say hello! - I do not wish to personal / poking around on the net, etc.. but for example. "I should," I ask, for example. the Karlovecz Architects Ltd. (?) (Stephen u.7 Pécs 7625.) - like "lay", "where to put it," to "my values." (?)
[I'm sorry "if" contractor "does not mention it. ]
Thanks!
Ps: no problem (na) + if no alcohol would give me the truth!
Once again, thank you very much for advice and we decided to start it all over again! Great work, and more time, but it is certainly worth it then!
This is a very wise decision, and I'm quite sure they'll be going for years regarded this as one of his very important purchasing decision, which prevented bosszankodjanak things like a lifetime, which could have been prevented.
Tuke
I just looked at the net, but I think I remember that represent the upper class, it's a team effort. I do not want to dissect everyone should play music in the band well. A team from Customer + good design = good staff (art history) + good contractor staff (art history). It either is bad, then the total produce is definitely going wrong. It's that simple.
epiteszikon :
But then I realized ("józanodás") - inkognitónkat could no longer keep. 
Thanks for your reply! The truth is that today 'we wanted to just send the building plan of this blog! - (Although the house has been done the same ...) - to thoroughly vesézzétek out!
The team's work just as much (although other topics) anno 2x lawyer ... I was pretty much waiting for it (did not work) and finally a "trainee" had arranged the matter - the price meant, of course, as if the lawyer had spoken with Mr. Well, you - so much.
(I assume the ultimate responsibility for the "signatory", but still.)